Yesterday our beloved nation was hit by another dangerous feel-bad-but-still-okay capitalist propaganda. Such propaganda is even more dangerous than feel-good propagandas because it can give unsuspecting citizens of any nations the impression that the situation is bad but still acceptable.
Don’t be fooled, folks!
This sort of propaganda is deadly! It is just a clever nice way of telling gullible and ignorant (stupid would be more appropriate) citizens that they are heading for mass destruction or mass slaughter. Gullible and ignorant citizens would of course be easily fooled, just like sheep following each other to the slaughterhouse. Bekkk Bekk!!
Be careful folks!
Steven Gan! MalaysiaKini! HarakahDaily! Malaysia Today! Please counter this new feel-bad-but-still-okay propaganda with everything you got! Bombard it with hard-to-deny facts and figures and make the perpetrators of this deadly feel-bad-but-still-okay propaganda feel uncomfortable. Make them pi*s in their own expensive pants!
You know something folks. This sort of nonsense about price hikes, inflation and so forth would not happen if the world’s economy is governed under the Islamic economic principles. The Islamic economic principles are probably the only available solution to our current global economic problem which is caused by extremely powerful band of highly educated capitalist bandits. Such capitalist bandits are creating mayhem in the world today, creating wider gaps between the poor and the filthy rich people. :-(
Give the ‘moon’ a chance in the next general election, folks! It is time to give the hopeless and useless ‘scale’ a big boot. Banish them please!
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"This sort of nonsense about price hikes, inflation and so forth would not happen if the world’s economy is governed under the Islamic economic principles. The Islamic economic principles are probably the only available solution to our current global economic problem which is caused by extremely powerful band of highly educated capitalist bandits."
I'm denying that the government should do much more to mitigate these sort of problems. But can you give me an example of a country running on Islamic economic principles that doesn't have inflation problems?
Give the 'moon' a chance? Sure - but can they drop the "Islamic State" agenda? If the 'moon' wants a chance, then they have got to change. It's really as straightforward as that.
Dear Ivan..
“I'm denying that the government should do much more to mitigate these sort of problems. But can you give me an example of a country running on Islamic economic principles that doesn't have inflation problems?”
First and foremost, there is no such thing as ‘inflation’ in Islamic economic principles. That term only exists in secular and capitalistic economy.
I’m sorry to say that countries governed by Islamic economic principles do have inflations at the moment. The fault lies with the global secular and capitalistic economic system. It is quiet impossible to practice Islamic economic principles when the world is governed by secular capitalistic economy.
The magic word here is ‘the world’. Islamic economic principles can truly provide justice for everyone in the world if it is embraced by every country in the world. Remove financial nonsense such as the United States Federal Reserve, World Bank and so forth. I do believe that one day capitalism would fall on its knees. Mark my words, Ivan. :-)
“Give the 'moon' a chance? Sure - but can they drop the "Islamic State" agenda? If the 'moon' wants a chance, then they have got to change. It's really as straightforward as that.”
Well, you have to ask the ‘moon’ about that. I think I know what their answer would be but I don’t want talk about it.
I do notice that you folks have big problems with the idea of having an Islamic state. What is it about the Islamic state idea that you folks have problems with? Do share it with me please.
InsyAllah, I would try my best to clarify things.
Hi Saidul,
First, allow me to correct my earlier comments. I meant:
I'm NOT denying that the government should do much more to mitigate these sort of problems.
I apologize for the typo.
"First and foremost, there is no such thing as ‘inflation’ in Islamic economic principles. That term only exists in secular and capitalistic economy."
When you have demand exceeding supply - there should be inflation, regardless of which system you are using. Unless you are suggesting that Islam removes the need for commerce. And also profit for that matter. If not, then someone has got to do a better job at explaining how it works in Islam.
"I’m sorry to say that countries governed by Islamic economic principles do have inflations at the moment. The fault lies with the global secular and capitalistic economic system. It is quiet impossible to practice Islamic economic principles when the world is governed by secular capitalistic economy."
And I'm sorry to say that your answer is just too convenient an excuse to use. Each system has its flaws - even one which you called Islamic Economic principles. First, understand how inflation happens before suggesting that Islamic teaching and practices can help remove it. Just because in Islam the "word" does not exist, it doesn't mean that the condition does not exist in reality.
It is because religious people - not just Muslims - like to preach in idealistic terms that they cannot reach out to the common people. One has to look at things both rationally and realistically. However, in religion, faith often trumps rational - and frankly what you have just proposed doesn't sound realistic either. Proof is what convinces people. Faith alone is not enough for people who is a free-thinker like me.
"Well, you have to ask the ‘moon’ about that. I think I know what their answer would be but I don’t want talk about it."
Then you should not ask us to give the 'moon' a chance. Unless you can answer for them, I see no reason why you should be encouraging your readers to give them a chance. This is simply because you cannot guarantee anything on their behalf. Right?
"I do notice that you folks have big problems with the idea of having an Islamic state. What is it about the Islamic state idea that you folks have problems with? Do share it with me please."
It is because religious - not just an Islamic one - states or rather theocratic states, has been proven through the lessons of history to be dogmatic, close-minded and strict to the point of overzealousness in terms of meeting out punishment for crimes AND actions that they deem to have offended their religion. (I know Muslims denies the part about theocracy - but to me it makes no difference one way or the other)
And you can mark MY words that should an Islamic State be allowed in Malaysia, its laws will not only be applied to Muslims. Sooner or later, non-Muslims will have to live by laws - by a religion - that they have nothing to do with. Their every action shall be dictated by Shariah Law. And looking at how much you are against capitalism and liberal thinking - it's really not hard to see how my life will be changing under an Islamic State.
So how can non-Muslims not be afraid of an Islamic State? Can you guarantee that non-Muslims will not be affected in ANY way? If you are looking for examples, then let's get straight to the point. Islam and other religions forbids the consumption of alcohol. Will an Islamic State still permits alcohol to be sold? I'm a free-thinker so I'm not bound to religious teachings. Will Genting still be allowed to ply their gambling trade - since all reliegion bans gambling?
OK, maybe all I mentioned so far are considered "vices". So what about examplesfrom Kelantan? Cinema with seperate seatings? So that means I cannot seat with my girlfriend in a cinema? No more wayang kulit to be seen?
How about examples from other states? How about the overzealousness in catching NON-MUSLIM couples who hold hands in the open? How come they were fine?
Regardless of which "brand" of Islam is in place - I doubt any group can apply Islam in its perfection. While you can say Islam is perfect, unfortunately, we - human beings - are bound to make mistakes and are imperfect. And the last is that no Islamic government can guarantee that non-Muslims will not be affected by the implementation of an Islamic State.
Hi there Ivan...
“When you have demand exceeding supply - there should be inflation, regardless of which system you are using. Unless you are suggesting that Islam removes the need for commerce. And also profit for that matter. If not, then someone has got to do a better job at explaining how it works in Islam.”
“And I'm sorry to say that your answer is just too convenient an excuse to use. Each system has its flaws - even one which you called Islamic Economic principles. First, understand how inflation happens before suggesting that Islamic teaching and practices can help remove it. Just because in Islam the "word" does not exist, it doesn't mean that the condition does not exist in reality.
It is because religious people - not just Muslims - like to preach in idealistic terms that they cannot reach out to the common people. One has to look at things both rationally and realistically. However, in religion, faith often trumps rational - and frankly what you have just proposed doesn't sound realistic either. Proof is what convinces people. Faith alone is not enough for people who is a free-thinker like me.”
So, you are a free-thinker eh… No wonder you are talking like an atheist.
Correction. Inflation is not all about supply and demand alone. One of the major impacting factors of inflation is the supply of money in one’s economy. In your case, that would be your worthless paper money where capitalists can easily manipulate and abuse.
In Islamic economic principles, paper money is non-existent. Islamic economy is based on precious metals, real precious metals such as gold and silver. The value of such precious metals is secure and consistent wherever Muslims go. This is one of the reasons why you won’t find ‘inflation’ in a true and complete Islamic economy.
True, I would not be the best person to explain how Islamic economic principles really work. If you like, you can contact a Muslim Professor currently attached with the International Islamic University for more details. Let me know if you are interested.
“Then you should not ask us to give the 'moon' a chance. Unless you can answer for them, I see no reason why you should be encouraging your readers to give them a chance. This is simply because you cannot guarantee anything on their behalf. Right?”
Not really. The ‘moon’'s ideologies are based upon our Noble Quran and Hadith. I’m not a member of the ‘moon’ but their ideologies are no stranger to any Muslims. If they really go by what has been written in our Noble Quran and Hadith, InsyAllah… You folks out there really have nothing to be scared about.
Islam is all about providing salvation and convenience, Ivan. Islam is not about oppression or aggression as many of you out there tends to believe. Non-Muslims may find it hard to apprehend because Islam is so strange to them. Yes, we Muslims are different but that doesn’t mean that we are abusers, killers or murderers. Some bad Muslims may give you folks such bad impressions but true Muslims would not do such things.
“It is because religious - not just an Islamic one - states or rather theocratic states, has been proven through the lessons of history to be dogmatic, close-minded and strict to the point of overzealousness in terms of meeting out punishment for crimes AND actions that they deem to have offended their religion. (I know Muslims denies the part about theocracy - but to me it makes no difference one way or the other)”
Since you’re a free-thinker, I’m not going to waste my time reasoning with you. It is pointless to talk to a man who does not believe in the existence of God or Gods.
“So how can non-Muslims not be afraid of an Islamic State? Can you guarantee that non-Muslims will not be affected in ANY way? If you are looking for examples, then let's get straight to the point. Islam and other religions forbids the consumption of alcohol. Will an Islamic State still permits alcohol to be sold? I'm a free-thinker so I'm not bound to religious teachings. Will Genting still be allowed to ply their gambling trade - since all reliegion bans gambling?”
You should read this Fatwa to get to know more about the rights of non-Muslims in an Islamic state.
As a free-thinker, I’m sure you like to think about everything. Fine. You talked about gambling and alcohol. Tell me then, what good are they to mankind? What sort of benefits (don’t talk about the use of alcohol in medical perspective. I know about that) do they bring to our frail society?
Islam totally bans gambling, alcohol and prostitution because they are destructive and dangerous to mankind. People who do things according to their lusts and emotions would not be able to understand the logic behind all this.
We are human beings with given intelligence. We are given the ability to think and learn. Allah swt did not give intelligence to mankind so that we can become like animals and satans. We are special beings and we should uphold our special privilege by taking the good and leaving out the bad as commanded.
“Regardless of which "brand" of Islam is in place - I doubt any group can apply Islam in its perfection. While you can say Islam is perfect, unfortunately, we - human beings - are bound to make mistakes and are imperfect. And the last is that no Islamic government can guarantee that non-Muslims will not be affected by the implementation of an Islamic State.”
This may come as a surprise but I do believe that it would not be easy to apply Islam to its perfection like what you had said earlier. That is why Imam Mahdi and Prophet Isa (as@pbuh) would appear in the future and provide salvation to mankind once and for all. But that doesn’t mean that Muslims today cannot try to build a strong and decent civilization for everybody. The guidelines are all ready there in our Noble Quran and Hadith. Muslims only have to go and implement them.
Allah swt Knows best.
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